Comments on: Why Flash is doomed http://ossguy.com/?p=226 Ideas on how we can make the world a better place, with a technical bent Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:33:20 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9-rare hourly 1 By: David http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-48539 David Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:56:10 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-48539 I'd make a point here but I think it's been well covered in the above posts. A lot of things have changed since you wrote the article, namely Android 2.2 with full Flash 10.1 support. The iPhone is a nice bit of kit but it's rapidly loosing ground to Android phones. HTML5 is still no where near... ...anything. The bottom line for me is Flash very much is still around since you wrote your article and beginning to thrive on Android mobile internet devices so I guess you were wrong. I'd make a point here but I think it's been well covered in the above posts. A lot of things have changed since you wrote the article, namely Android 2.2 with full Flash 10.1 support. The iPhone is a nice bit of kit but it's rapidly loosing ground to Android phones. HTML5 is still no where near... ...anything. The bottom line for me is Flash very much is still around since you wrote your article and beginning to thrive on Android mobile internet devices so I guess you were wrong.

]]> By: dacquistapace http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-25712 dacquistapace Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:51:35 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-25712 As a college professor who teaches Flash and focuses on ActionScript 3.0 (which is a bit daunting for my design students), I would like to post the question: If Flash is doomed, what should I teach in my New Media course (I know it is no longer "new", but we are, for the time being, stuck with the title)? I attended an advanced Flash training in Sand Diego this summer and our instructor makes his living developing web sites in Flash for large corporate clients. He also incorporates Java, XTML, HTML, PHP, and other languages to make his sites very smooth. Any ideas? As a college professor who teaches Flash and focuses on ActionScript 3.0 (which is a bit daunting for my design students), I would like to post the question: If Flash is doomed, what should I teach in my New Media course (I know it is no longer "new", but we are, for the time being, stuck with the title)? I attended an advanced Flash training in Sand Diego this summer and our instructor makes his living developing web sites in Flash for large corporate clients. He also incorporates Java, XTML, HTML, PHP, and other languages to make his sites very smooth. Any ideas?

]]> By: Josh Strike http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-25276 Josh Strike Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:27:41 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-25276 Rubbish. Absolute bollocks. Games written in Javascript run at half the framerate and double the processing load. The code is twice as long and completely ugly. Decent games cannot be written in JS. The canvas is far from being more than a decent 2d renderer, let alone a solid or stable way to display complex animation. Put aside the fact that it will be years before HTML5 is hammered out to the satisfaction of both Microsoft and its competitors; this is one case where a somewhat proprietary standard is simply better. Moreover, it's going to be on every Android and Palm phone in the next month or two; Apple will be the only one left out if they refuse to adopt the plugin. Finally, it's worth saying that the guy posting before me, who loves to code in Flash, reminds me of myself about 10 years ago and he is absolutely right to have come to the conclusion that AS3 is far and away the best way to write code that will run in a web browser, and will be for years. Javascript doesn't even support normal CLASSES. Give me a good reason why we should all go back to altering function prototypes and loose dynamic typing and no display list and no event bubbling and this freaking procedural junk you kinds of guys are constantly trying to sell. If Adobe Flash dies out as such, rest assured, a very-AS3-like language utilizing the same libraries will be the web standard a few years from now; whether it's HaXe + display libs or a port of the AVM2 directly into Javascript/canvas; the idea that a byzantine hell of a DOM and an obsolete scripting subset of java are the wave of the future of online gaming is wishful thinking, if you're a javascript developer who never took the time to learn AS3 or ECMA4. Rubbish. Absolute bollocks. Games written in Javascript run at half the framerate and double the processing load. The code is twice as long and completely ugly. Decent games cannot be written in JS. The canvas is far from being more than a decent 2d renderer, let alone a solid or stable way to display complex animation. Put aside the fact that it will be years before HTML5 is hammered out to the satisfaction of both Microsoft and its competitors; this is one case where a somewhat proprietary standard is simply better. Moreover, it's going to be on every Android and Palm phone in the next month or two; Apple will be the only one left out if they refuse to adopt the plugin.

Finally, it's worth saying that the guy posting before me, who loves to code in Flash, reminds me of myself about 10 years ago and he is absolutely right to have come to the conclusion that AS3 is far and away the best way to write code that will run in a web browser, and will be for years. Javascript doesn't even support normal CLASSES. Give me a good reason why we should all go back to altering function prototypes and loose dynamic typing and no display list and no event bubbling and this freaking procedural junk you kinds of guys are constantly trying to sell. If Adobe Flash dies out as such, rest assured, a very-AS3-like language utilizing the same libraries will be the web standard a few years from now; whether it's HaXe + display libs or a port of the AVM2 directly into Javascript/canvas; the idea that a byzantine hell of a DOM and an obsolete scripting subset of java are the wave of the future of online gaming is wishful thinking, if you're a javascript developer who never took the time to learn AS3 or ECMA4.

]]> By: Benjamin A. Shelton | Blog » Blog Archive » Links of the Week: January 30th http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23652 Benjamin A. Shelton | Blog » Blog Archive » Links of the Week: January 30th Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:34:23 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23652 [...] is doomed. It’s about damned [...] [...] is doomed. It’s about damned [...]

]]> By: DanielSig http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23626 DanielSig Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:52:35 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23626 My dream is to make flash games... I've dreamt about becoming a game creator since I was 11 years old. I'll be 21 this year and I'm going to a university soon and I'm going to finish a BS degree in Computer Science. I'm a flash Actionscript 3 programmer and my passion and dream is to create fun interactive flash games, and the job opportunities for AS3 programmers are only rising. THERE'S NOTHING like programming flash games. Since it's so easy to publish your games. I've also always been an apple fan, and I'm using an 8core mac pro right now. BUT IMMORAL PEOPLE LIKE THOSE AT APPLE AND YOU ARE THE ONES THAT WANT TO MAKE AS3 PROGRAMMERS ALL OVER THE WORLD UNEMPLOYED!!!!! THANKS FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO MAKE ME UNEMPLOYED... This is a personal attack against me and all AS3 game programmers. Good Job! My dream is to make flash games... I've dreamt about becoming a game creator since I was 11 years old. I'll be 21 this year and I'm going to a university soon and I'm going to finish a BS degree in Computer Science. I'm a flash Actionscript 3 programmer and my passion and dream is to create fun interactive flash games, and the job opportunities for AS3 programmers are only rising. THERE'S NOTHING like programming flash games. Since it's so easy to publish your games. I've also always been an apple fan, and I'm using an 8core mac pro right now.

BUT IMMORAL PEOPLE LIKE THOSE AT APPLE AND YOU ARE THE ONES THAT WANT TO MAKE AS3 PROGRAMMERS ALL OVER THE WORLD UNEMPLOYED!!!!! THANKS FOR TRYING YOUR BEST TO MAKE ME UNEMPLOYED... This is a personal attack against me and all AS3 game programmers. Good Job!

]]> By: John Dowdell http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23408 John Dowdell Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:53:19 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23408 Thanks for the word. I wonder what'll happen next January 21.... ;-) jd Thanks for the word. I wonder what'll happen next January 21.... ;-)

jd

]]> By: ossguy http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23400 ossguy Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:43:53 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23400 By far, the most common referrer for this page since yesterday has been http://news.ycombinator.com/ (which seems to be the same as http://hackerne.ws/ ). I've received over 5400 hits on this page since the wave of traffic started around 4:40pm Pacific Time yesterday (about 26 hours ago), presumably when the page was posted there, as suggested by the referrers. On average, I get less than 10 hits a day on this page. I have no idea why Hacker News decided to pick up this page yesterday. I see nothing particularly interesting in my logs aside from a GET from a Google App Engine user about 20 seconds after the first user hit this page from http://news.ycombinator.com/newest (I seldom have GETs from Google App Engine for this page). This could have been in response to the post on Hacker News or my web server could have mixed up the timestamps and it was actually Hacker News crawling the page to re-post it. If you know what might have happened here, I'd love to know. It has certainly sparked a lot of discussion. Here are some of the major forums I've noticed, aside from the comments on this page: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1076691 (42 comments) http://www.ubervu.com/conversations/ossguy.com/%3Fp%3D226 (33 mentions on Twitter) I'm not sure what's causing this, but I certainly don't mind the traffic and I'm happy to see it's prompted a lot of people to think about and discuss the topic. By far, the most common referrer for this page since yesterday has been http://news.ycombinator.com/ (which seems to be the same as http://hackerne.ws/ ). I've received over 5400 hits on this page since the wave of traffic started around 4:40pm Pacific Time yesterday (about 26 hours ago), presumably when the page was posted there, as suggested by the referrers. On average, I get less than 10 hits a day on this page.

I have no idea why Hacker News decided to pick up this page yesterday. I see nothing particularly interesting in my logs aside from a GET from a Google App Engine user about 20 seconds after the first user hit this page from http://news.ycombinator.com/newest (I seldom have GETs from Google App Engine for this page). This could have been in response to the post on Hacker News or my web server could have mixed up the timestamps and it was actually Hacker News crawling the page to re-post it. If you know what might have happened here, I'd love to know.

It has certainly sparked a lot of discussion. Here are some of the major forums I've noticed, aside from the comments on this page:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1076691 (42 comments)
http://www.ubervu.com/conversations/ossguy.com/%3Fp%3D226 (33 mentions on Twitter)

I'm not sure what's causing this, but I certainly don't mind the traffic and I'm happy to see it's prompted a lot of people to think about and discuss the topic.

]]> By: John Dowdell http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23389 John Dowdell Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:18:39 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23389 Hi Denver, why do you think this post drew more comments on its one-year anniversary? I think I came here through Hacker News. Do you know how it got perceived as Jan2010? (I'm curious about online social-effects, the role of belief, etc.) tx, jd/adobe Hi Denver, why do you think this post drew more comments on its one-year anniversary? I think I came here through Hacker News. Do you know how it got perceived as Jan2010? (I'm curious about online social-effects, the role of belief, etc.)

tx, jd/adobe

]]> By: Alfredo http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23372 Alfredo Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:52:00 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23372 Sadly, Flash is not going away anytime soon All the reasons provided here fall into what I'd call : Lame. Companies would never stop fixing and developing new products. Of course, I agree this are most of the current problems but to say this is the future it's far from it. Technology is the art to bring options and easiest ways to develop our projects so at the end what is left to judge is creativity and smart choices rather than effort for dealing with "difficult tasks". Sadly, Flash is not going away anytime soon
All the reasons provided here fall into what I'd call : Lame.
Companies would never stop fixing and developing new products. Of course, I agree this are most of the current problems but to say this is the future it's far from it.
Technology is the art to bring options and easiest ways to develop our projects so at the end what is left to judge is creativity and smart choices rather than effort for dealing with "difficult tasks".

]]> By: David Vera http://ossguy.com/?p=226&cpage=1#comment-23366 David Vera Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:11:48 +0000 http://ossguy.com/?p=226#comment-23366 I think Flash is a good tool for the design community to inspire and make interactive websites out of common. We should use flash for multimedia presentations and websites that expands the actual limitations of html and javascript. Today We can use Flash and Silverlight to make rich internet Applications too, so I don't agree with your post. With Flash CS5 We will develop applications for iPhone, and Adobe knows well how to increase their sharing market. http://twitter.com/David_Vera I think Flash is a good tool for the design community to inspire and make interactive websites out of common. We should use flash for multimedia presentations and websites that expands the actual limitations of html and javascript.

Today We can use Flash and Silverlight to make rich internet Applications too, so I don't agree with your post. With Flash CS5 We will develop applications for iPhone, and Adobe knows well how to increase their sharing market.

http://twitter.com/David_Vera

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